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Don Armour



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:45 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

Perish the though, let alone the comment, that you would disappear in any such manner.

I hadn't seen that report but some species of shark can be found in various locations within the Gulf Stream, I heard a story that one of our Grimsby boats caught a shark (species unknown) off South East Iceland one year (a long time ago, back when we had a deep sea fleet).

When they emptied the nets onto the deck, there was this thrashing dervish - they all went aft for a cup of tea and left it to die before dumping it over the side.

No doubt its carcass would have provided a meal for something else!

As to the areas around the UK, the short answer is YES, there are sharks in our waters, no indication of "Jaws" taking up residence near Llandudno though!!

Blue sharks are seasonal visitors to the Celtic Seas and can be seen off the west coast of the UK when our waters reach warmer temperatures.
The ideal weather condition for sightings is sunny with calm winds, just the sort of conditions in which to go swimming eh?

Orca also known as ‘killer whales’ (the largest member of the dolphin family).
They can be seen most regularly in northern waters particularly near the Shetland and Orkney Islands.

Off the Cornish coast, during the summer months you’ll find Basking sharks, Blue sharks and (if you're really lucky) Porbeagle sharks.

In fact, when I lived in Cornwall during the '70s, there was a thriving business shark fishing out of Looe, I don't know if it still exists since many species of shark are now protected in UK waters.

By the way, was I right about Chuck's destination?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With shaking fingers I searched Google and found this....http://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/medal-awarded-to-grimsby-hero-of-a-shark-attack-appears-on-antiques-roadshow/story-30215779-detail/story.html Seems it was off Iceland that the foul biting occurred! I think Chuck might have also been heading for 'The turn of the mile' whatever that was.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apparently they finished up 'parked on the Kokomo'. Now there are two Kokomos in the good old U.S. of  A! One in Florida and one in Indiana. Take your pick. The slang word for Kokomo is crack cocaine. Couldn't be that could it? Perhaps that's why he couldn't unfasten that belt! Only on here could you find this conversation. Good job says 'retired colonel of Tunbridge Wells!'
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Jack, I took a look at the story, 1936, the Northern Pride, ship's cook.

I'm surprised he didn't dive in with a galley knife between his teeth, kill the shark, haul it on board and cook shark steaks and shark's fin soup for the crew!!

The "turn of a mile" was where Chuck "stole a kiss" and, although they "parked way out on the Kokomo", I'm not sure it was the destination as they still had "no particular place to go".

As to "kokomo" being a slang word for crack cocaine, - well crack hadn't been manufactured, as far as I know, in 1964 although cocaine had been in use for a long time and was even touted as being health beneficial (imagine), as was Radium!

Mind you, Heroin, when it was first produced, was claimed to be a NON-ADDICTIVE alternative to morphine, from which it is derived.

Gives one real confidence in the pharmaceutical industry doesn't it?

That ends the case for the defence m'lud.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congratulations Sgt.ALEXANDER BLACKMAN,ROYAL MARINES!!!!!!!!! Justice is done at last.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I  agree for the most part Jack, however, he broke military rules and was always going to have to answer for it.

The LAW and JUSTICE are uneasy bedfellows at best.

When the Geneva Convention was agreed in 1949 the type of situation that forces encountered in Afghanistan were not really taken into account, even though similar circumstances occurred when it was known as The Northwest Frontier and, indeed have occurred in just about every insurgent war (as opposed to more “formal” warfare i.e. between defined nations), Borneo, Malaya, Algeria to name but a few.

One of the main purposes apart from being able to take the moral high ground, was to ensure that both sides treated the other side’s wounded and captured with fairness and compassion on the basis of the expectation that the enemy would do the same for your troops.

Where an enemy has absolutely no regard for any of the principles and protocols laid down in the Convention and haven’t even signed up to it, then they should not be entitled to its protection, just my opinion of course and the legal position is that THEY ARE entitled.

The morals of warfare are, at best, confused and are invariably confusing, it is generally regarded as “OK” to bomb targets from the air or to bombard targets with artillery with no regard as to whether the people on the receiving end are wounded or not, are combatants or not, or are even capable of participating in the fight.

But when it gets up close and personal, all of a sudden the rules change and instead of troops trying to kill their enemies, they are now expected to save them.

Could Sgt Blackman and his team have done anything meaningful for the insurgent?

I don’t know, I wasn’t there, but if he was that badly wounded then moving him would almost certainly have killed him anyway.

They could have called for medical assistance but at what cost? It is a standard insurgent/terrorist technique to wait for medical assistance and to take them out either on the way or on scene.

What was the availability of medical assistance? I don't know, I wasn't there.

They could have left him to die more slowly and probably in considerable pain, on the basis that they could do nothing for him, I don’t know, I wasn’t there.

It has long been recognised that war brutalises its participants and the more brutal the war itself, the deeper the scars run and Afghanistan was and still is, a particularly brutal war zone.

That Sgt Blackman’s judgement was impaired is absolutely clear, after all, he and his team didn’t disable their helmet cameras and claim that they had failed as MoD procured equipment has a habit of doing at critical moments!

He didn’t shout “gun” or “grenade” before he shot the man so justifying the shooting, instead he recorded all the evidence that was needed for a trial.

Also don’t forget that notwithstanding the insurgent’s presumed pain, he was perfectly happy to die for his beliefs, in fact their declared ethos is to welcome death.

There is no question that incidents such as this have gone on for as long as there have been wars and, for the most part, they go unrecorded and unreported, thereby absolving those who weren’t in that situation and, indeed, were never likely to be in that situation, from the inconvenience of having to bring the legal framework into play.

Charging Sgt Blackman with murder in those circumstances was, to quote Capt Willard in“Apocalypse Now”, “like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy500”.

Even manslaughter was a bit strong but faced with incontrovertible evidence, provided by Sgt Blackman himself, there was no question that he would have to stand trial by Court Martial or in a civilian court, however, a verdict of justifiable homicide would, in my inexpert opinion, have been appropriate with some kind of cautionary punishment for his oversight in providing the evidence for his own undoing.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well Dion,oops sorry Don(Now why would I type Dion?Wasn't he the 'wanderer?')After careful perusal of your very interesting post,I agree that justifiable homicide would have been a much better charge if there had to be one. I would suggest in Royal Marine training manuals they could add the following 'See all,hear all,say NOWT!'See you very soon.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Jack, problem was, as I said, military rules had been broken and that ALWAYS results in charges being laid and, if the charge is serious enough, a Court Martial, "justice" has to be SEEN to be done, "justifiable homicide" being a more suitable RESULT under the circumstances - in my opinion.

As to why you typed "Dion" (yes, he was "The Wanderer" - a classic), it could be either because the "i" and the "o" are next to each other on the keyboard OR you have an antisocial keyboard that types what IT wants, not what YOU want!

Computers eh, they do what you tell them to do, not what you want them to do.

Aye lad, it's been a military ethic since way back:

'Ear all, see all, say nowt, eat all, sup all, pay nowt.
And if ever tha gets owt fer nowt - get it fer thee sen.

Ahl sithee!

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

10 years ago yesterday since the first repatriation came through RAF Lyneham and Royal Wootton Bassett.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-39502460

I still remain proud of the attitudes of the local population and of those who came from far and wide to pay their respects.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice to know there are still people like these who CARE!!!! Well done the Town!
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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Happy 'Pallid Brer Day'
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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Likewise Jack, you beat me to it, well done!!


Of course, today is MAYDAY, MAYDAY, MAYDAY but I'm not distressed by it !! Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2017 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

“Fools” said I, “You do not know
Silence like a cancer grows"

Welcome to the wells of silence!

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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2017 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Don,your message made me go to an S & G C.D. (sounds like a cyber attack!!) given to me by an old mate!  Brilliant stuff.  P.S. I don't think a cyber attack would be noticed on this Site!  Take care,don't speak or vote for strange persons!
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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marstons's announce a 'banana bread beer''  Reply awaited from 'Disgusted of Royal Tunbridge Wells
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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds awful but I won't prejudge, I'll wait 'til I've tasted it (if ever!).

Disgusted of Royal Wootton Bassett (my colleague from Royal Tunbridge Wells is on a beer tasting trip around the UK)

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bunny is bustin' out all over! Happy June Don and Dah. June the 8th? It couldn't happen could it? Bags packed just in case!! O.K. I know,'no politics'   I'm talking about a rugby match,honest.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote




Beat me to it AGAIN Jack  Very Happy  Very Happy

OF COURSE you were talking about a rugby match and not politics, either way it's going to involve a scrum.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spike Milligan was on HMS Victory and saw a plaque that read 'Nelson fell here.'  " I'm not surprised",Spike said. "I nearly tripped myself."
PS,Sorry for all this verbosity , must be the Summer air.


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